Our 1958 4W65

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Postby Rayoh » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:51 am

Having just joined this forum I thought I had better put up a pic of our 1958 4W65 Patrol. It is one of six that was imported for the army to trial but the idea was dropped due to public opinion and they were sold off. We picked this one up about 15 years ago and restored it over about 6 months. For those that do not know it has a 4 litre 6cyl sidevalve engine, 4 speed box with a creeper first gear instead of low range. I will put up more pics shortly.
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Postby RiverPatrol » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:27 am

Welcome to 60Patrol! :text-welcomewave:

That is an amazing Patrol. Please share many more pictures of it. I always wondered if there were any of those in Australia. That's even extra cool that you know the history of them coming in. Thanks for sharing.
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Postby bosque » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:33 am

This is very special indeed.
Please post more info and shots when you have time and thanks for sharing with us.
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Postby Coyote Patrol » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:34 am

I like it, thanks for sharing the pic. Can't wait to see more. I would like to se a pic of the engine.
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Postby Esteban » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:12 am

Welcome, Rayoh. :clap: :clap: :clap:

So glad to see one of the rare examples of this vehicle. You're a lucky guy. Congratulations.

2869ral wrote:I like it, thanks for sharing the pic. Can't wait to see more. I would like to se a pic of the engine.


I second that. Would love to see the pictures, and then try to find pictures of the Graham-Paige engine to compare side by side. It will be awesome.
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Postby Rayoh » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:52 am

Sorry for the delay in posting more pics but I lost the cable that connects the camera to computer, anyway I found it so here are some pics of the engine bay and one of the interior. If anyone wants more then yell out. Some will notice that it is fitted at the moment with a Stromberg carby, this because the original one is worn out and I haven't been able to locate a replacement. The original one is the same as that on the very early G60. It has now gone from 10mpg to around 18mpg, much better.
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Postby RiverPatrol » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:07 am

Thank you for finding the cable for your camera! :D These are great pictures. This is the first I have seen of the early engine. I am surprised that it bears very little resemblance to the P engine in our 60s. Can we get some more interior shots please? :dance: :clap:
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Postby Esteban » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:37 am

Thanks a lot Rayoh. :clap: :clap: :clap: Great pictures, and they are the first for me as well.

Agree with RiverPatrol. It's difficult to imagine that the P engine is based on that one. Obviously the L head is deceiving. Would love to see some parts diagrams or service manual ones. Hope you have some.

I do have some personal interest in this model. Around 1965, a great uncle got a farm at an auction. Among the farming equipment, a Patrol similar to yours (not sure about the year) was in a shack. The head was removed from the engine. We were playing there as kids. The next year it was gone! He had giving it away. To this day the remote possibility of owning that vehicle floats in my mind. I didn't new better, nor my older brother, or my dad. Two years later, he bought the 65 Patrol that I still own and drive.

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Postby bosque » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:33 am

Ray,
You are so lucky. :clap:
Great shots! I really like the steering wheel "propeller" styling. And, that classic cover is ... :think: ....well, classic!

River, ...see! The 4W65 has the battery in the engine bay too. :shifty: :shifty: :shifty: :whistle:

Esteban, Have your brother look for one (fun to think of finding the "shack Patrol"!) asap...... :think:
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Postby RiverPatrol » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:42 am

bosque wrote: River, ...see! The 4W65 has the battery in the engine bay too. :shifty: :shifty: :shifty: :whistle:


And just like the engine, the location of the battery was redesigned also. ;) *snap*
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Postby Esteban » Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:06 pm

I saved a few days ago images from a 1930 Graham-Paige engine. Compare with with Rayoh's Patrol picture, and there you have it!!! The engine is the same.

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1930 Graham-Paige 6 cyl. engine Right side
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Start counting head bolts, side cover, location of petcock, distributor... it is the same engine!! :shock: :shock: :D :D :D

1930 Graham-Paige 6 cyl. engine Left side
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Now we need pictures of the crankshaft bay!
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Postby bosque » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:55 pm

Very close comparison, nice to them side by side. :greetings-clappingorange:
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Postby RiverPatrol » Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:41 pm

Awesome comparison, thanks Esteban. Here you can easily see the evolution from the Graham-Paige to the 4W65 engine
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Postby sleepyzzz » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:12 am

welcome to the site, and very nice Patrol you have there. when i was selling off my roadsters, i had a gentleman tell me that he used to be from Australia and wrenched for a Datsun dealership. And he went on to say that he purchased one of the very first 4 speed Patrols shipped to the country. i'm guessing it would have been one like yours. that is too cool.
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Postby mdawg4x4 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:05 pm

Welcome to 60Patrol. Awesome old Patrol! I love it!
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