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Re: 1967 Family Patrol Project

PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:47 pm
by faux40
Made a little more progress today -- Removed both fenders and the inner fender panels. Boy, I hate those capture nuts that the fender bolts to. One of three things happens when you try to take them apart...

    1) 48.7% of the time, the bolt breaks off.
    2) 47.9% of the time, the square nut spins inside the capture bracket and no matter how much you mess with it and try everything you can think of, you end up jamming a sawzall in it and cutting bolt
    3) 3.4% of the time, the bolt unscrews cleanly

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I guess my next step will involve a lot of drilling and coming up with something to replace those pesky capture nuts! Anyway, after hours of frustration, Aerogirl looks like this...
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On another note -- Jay, my youngest, just got his first car. Won't be able to drive it for a couple years, but he can get started on it now and have it ready by the time the DMV gives him the go-ahead!
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Happy Saturday!
John

Re: 1967 Family Patrol Project

PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:32 pm
by Esteban
Wow! Great first car! Congratulations.

Re: 1967 Family Patrol Project

PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:55 am
by RiverPatrol
I feel your pain with the capture nuts. :(

Re: 1967 Family Patrol Project

PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:58 pm
by 50car
Great old Volvo! My family had one jut like that when i was a youngster.... I remember my dad having to constantly adjust the dual carbs. Should be a fun first car.

Re: 1967 Family Patrol Project

PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:24 pm
by faux40
Made some progress this afternoon -- I removed the hood and then stripped the body panels to get them ready for cleaning, repair and priming...

Inner and outer fenders
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The replacement radiator support I got from River... one year ago this month!
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And the hood... the majority of the damage is right on it's nose.
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And the wounded Patrol. I'll be tarping her up in the next day or two to prepare for rain!
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John

Re: 1967 Family Patrol Project

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:47 pm
by RiverPatrol
What is this rain you speak of? You do live in the same California that I do as I recall. :lol:

Re: 1967 Family Patrol Project

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:03 pm
by faux40
Ha! It's a new and exciting feature of Climate Change... we could be in a drought this week and torrential rains next... then back to a drought. Toss in an earthquake or two just for the excitement (this is California after all!)!

On another note... I did it. Several chunks of Aerogirl are all the way across town this morning!

The hood, two fenders, two inner fenders, & the radiator support
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By mid-next-week, we should have some naked patrol parts to ogle!

John

Re: 1967 Family Patrol Project

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:25 pm
by RiverPatrol
I have to admit, the earthquakes are pretty exciting. Nothing better to get the adrenaline pumping in the wee hours of the morning. Better than having to lock up your brakes to keep from rear ending someone that stops for a yellow light. :lol:

Looking forward to seeing those naked parts! :drool:

Re: 1967 Family Patrol Project

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:06 pm
by G60michael
G'day there John, I'm not as active on the forum these days due to work and having to many g60 Project on the Go, but my passion has not dampened, but sorry to here about the bingle in Aerogirl, she's defiantly fixable mate and im sure she will be back better then ever. What is the Plan on straightening them front rails, they don't look to be to bent, maybe the very front bit forwards of the front furthers crossmember, you could always try using a 4x4 High lift Jack and Jack it back straight. Take care G60michael

Re: 1967 Family Patrol Project

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:52 pm
by faux40
Thanks! I've been busy too -- finally have some time to dig back into the Patrol fam!

Not sure on the frame repairs... but I have a neighbor who works on repairing crashed railroad locomotives -- I plan to enlist his help with the frame!

John

Re: 1967 Family Patrol Project

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:05 am
by faux40
Okie doke -- Since those body panels will be bare in a few short days, I'm researching primers... Well, more accurately, body work and paint. I need to know basically everything from primer to finish coat. Of course, I have never done any automotive painting... at all! The one thing I do know is that I need advice!

Here's the plan -- I'm starting off with a front-end redo! All the removable panels forward of the firewall will be blasted to bare metal, the firewall will be cleaned, wire brushed and sanded as needed. Next I'll paint everything firewall forward in pieces and parts. I am seriously considering removing the engine/trans at this point too. This will give me access to clean up the frame way back under the firewall and do the mods to install the Marks 5-speed that's been quietly living in its crate under the pinball machine for the past few years!

I may be way off on this, but it looks like I should start with an epoxy primer or urethane primer as I'll be painting large areas of bare metal and over some existing paint. The firewall isn't getting sandblasted, but I will give it some pressure washer love, then some hand sanding, etc. to get it ready for paint.

Questions:
1) What should I pre-wipe down the panels with before sanding/priming?
2) What primer I should start with?
3) Will the el cheapo HVLP gun from harbor freight work for primer?

John

Re: 1967 Family Patrol Project

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:04 am
by RiverPatrol
Robert Moore is the expert in the paint realm. Shake his tree.

Re: 1967 Family Patrol Project

PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:10 pm
by ckhorne
faux40 wrote:Questions:
1) What should I pre-wipe down the panels with before sanding/priming?
2) What primer I should start with?
3) Will the el cheapo HVLP gun from harbor freight work for primer?


I have a total experience of one Patrol painted from bare metal on up, so I have no doubt that others here can chime in with more experience-based answers. However, I can answer from a amateur standpoint:

I'm not sure you need to wipe down the panels before sanding - that seems like a waste... If you want to strip to bare metal, use paint stripping discs. Going this route will require an epoxy sealer before the primer. Otherwise, sand down to the original base coat and build up from there.

Also- if you use any kind of bondo, you'll need to seal it with an epoxy coat - same with primer, since it's porous. I used a high build primer, allowing me to block sand everything smooth. You could skip this step if you're not looking for a show quality finish, leaving you with the epoxy base coat, color, and then clear coat.

I used Southern Polyeurethanes for all my epoxy base, primer, and clear coats - they're tailored for people like us and are cost effective. Plus the guys there are really helpful with basic questions. I used PPG for my color, but I have a different contact for much cheaper paint that I got from SPI.

Yes, the HVLP gun from harbor freight is what I used for 100% of my project, and they worked fine for me. I don't know any different, so I can't speak to how well they work against a professional gun, but I didn't have any fisheyes in the paint, and any runs were my own stupid fault.

It's not rocket science, and it's not all that hard. But it does take prep work and understanding the process. The good news is that you can't screw up too much - you can always sand back down and spray again.

Re: 1967 Family Patrol Project

PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 3:21 pm
by ckhorne
My last post may have been more convoluted than it needed to be. Basically:

- spray epoxy base coat
- do any bondo work. I'd recommend doing any welding work at this point as well, even if you have to strip some paint. The metal will be sealed and won't rust
- spray epoxy base coat again to cover bondo and/or welds, if any
- if you want a smooth finish, spray high build primer and block sand
- spray epoxy again to seal primer
- spray 2+ coats of color
- spray 2+ coats of clear coat

Before each paint step: If it's been more than 7 days, rough up paint with red scotch pads. With latex gloves on, wipe down surface with degreaser (available from SPI as well). Allow plenty of time to dry. Use tack cloth to ensure no dust. You could do it all outside or in a well ventilated space, assuming the temps are > 65 degrees and humidity isn't too high. Don't use a heater in a ventilated space.

If you want some more tips, I'm happy to brain dump over the phone. But, again, my point of view is from a recent DIY-er, not a professional; all my supplied were from amazon and harbor freight... :)

Re: 1967 Family Patrol Project

PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 3:42 pm
by faux40
I may give you a ring once my parts are back! Thanks!

On another note -- You made a hybrid sandblaster/pressure washer that was really effective -- How messy is it and do you have any close ups of the adapter or a description?

Thanks!

John