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Postby RiverPatrol » Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:26 pm

plateaucal wrote:What' with the blue tube. It looks like it is sucking unfiltered air into the carb?


It looks to me like it’s just looped up to the other nipple on the air filter, not going to the carb. So essentially it is blocked off. The only vacuum fitting to the carb already has a line to it.

He’s not running the water protect distributor? I thought he just put a Pertronix on it.
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Postby L60Boerne » Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:55 pm

Thank you for your help and observations.

A). For now it will not have a water proof distributor. I have two and maybe Eddy can make one good one from the two...but that is way down the road.
The installed non waterproof distributor has been rebuilt and includes the Petronix upgrade. It runs very well.

B). The blue slurpie tube is considered a air catheter by Eddy. It may or may not have a purpose.

C). Eddy found my $650 custom fuel tank was not lined so it is going back to fab shop.

D). I would appreciate advice as to why generators are replaced by alternators. They see to do the same thing but differently?

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Postby plateaucal » Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:32 am

It may be a minor deal but the connection on the left is to the clean air side of the air flow (after filter/low pressure). The one on the right is unfiltered air (atmosphere). So it could pull in dusty air from through the top of the carb. It's a funny setup but it seems the whole purpose of the arrangement is to utilize the pressure drop across the filter to cause and air flow through the tubes to the waterproof distributor. I assume it is for ventilation of the distributor, maybe for cooling or incidental moisture removal. I would imagine that the air flow through six feet of 1/8" tubing and four orifices isn't much but the air flow without the tubing may be good enough to suck in some Texas dust.
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Postby moore_rb » Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:42 am

Agree with Chris- If you're not gonna hook up the WP distributor lines, then just replace the blue line with a pair of rubber plugs, and call it good.
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Postby plateaucal » Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:05 am

L60Boerne wrote:Thank you for your help and observations.

A). For now it will not have a water proof distributor. I have two and maybe Eddy can make one good one from the two...but that is way down the road.
The installed non waterproof distributor has been rebuilt and includes the Petronix upgrade. It runs very well.

B). The blue slurpie tube is considered a air catheter by Eddy. It may or may not have a purpose.

C). Eddy found my $650 custom fuel tank was not lined so it is going back to fab shop.

D). I would appreciate advice as to why generators are replaced by alternators. They see to do the same thing but differently?

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The only generators I've worked on were in the range of a few hundred megawatts, but the theory is the same. I think the main advantages to alternators are: smaller and more current at all speeds including idle. Alternators became favorable for these reasons with the development of diode technology needed to convert the alternating current. But, generators look cooler in an old engine bay.
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Postby L60Boerne » Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:17 am

Thank you both. Ok, based on your input I'll leave the tube there because it runs very good as is, plus it may get a WP distributor later.

Then, Eddy plans to switch to an alternator in time. I want him to do the brakes next. He has an OEM alternator bracket being delivered this weekend. I've asked for remanufactured American Vs new Chinese.

It I recall, from way back, the head lights are much stronger with alternator.

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Postby L60Boerne » Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:31 am

Greetings Patrol Whisperers,

Please take a look at the re-assembled carburetor Eddy did for me.

Question- Is it supposed to have a insulation spacer between the carb and exhaust manifold?

I have several, so it needs one for sustained hot operational with a minimum chance of vapor locking then now is the time to put it on.

I'll look forward to your reply when we get into our jungle hut which is claimed to have wifi.

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Postby RiverPatrol » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:28 am

Yes, it needs the insulator.
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Postby L60Boerne » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:31 pm

Greetings Patrollees,

Eddy is getting to work on the dash now. The knobs provided within the forum sure look great!

Eddy the Eagle just completed the fuel tank replacement with new sending unit from Columbia.

The fuel gauge isn't working. Assuming it is not the new sending unit what can be done to fix the gauge itself?

Any advice would be appreciated.

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Postby faux40 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:04 pm

The fuel gauge sends voltage to the sender -- the sender acts like a variable resistor to ground. The closer to zero resistance, the more fuel you have. The more resistance, the emptier the tank. (Although some cars reverse this)

A couple ways to test.

1) You should see voltage between the wire and ground when the ignition is on.
2) You can quickly short the sender wire to ground to see if the needle jumps. (If you're worried about shorting it, put a 100 ohm resister or a small light bulb between the sender wire and ground) -- BUT ONLY DO THIS FOR A FRACTION OF A SECOND.

If the needle jumps, the problem is in your sender. If it does not jump or no voltage at the wire to the sender, the problem is with the gauge.

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Postby L60Boerne » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:41 pm

Thanks John, very much appreciated.
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Postby plateaucal » Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:31 pm

L60Boerne wrote:Greetings Patrollees,

Eddy is getting to work on the dash now. The knobs provided within the forum sure look great!

Eddy the Eagle just completed the fuel tank replacement with new sending unit from Columbia.

The fuel gauge isn't working. Assuming it is not the new sending unit what can be done to fix the gauge itself?

Any advice would be appreciated.

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Also check the gauge regulator. It feeds the fuel and temp. gauges. If it is not working, neither of these gauges will work.
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Postby RiverPatrol » Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:08 pm

plateaucal wrote:
L60Boerne wrote:Greetings Patrollees,

Eddy is getting to work on the dash now. The knobs provided within the forum sure look great!

Eddy the Eagle just completed the fuel tank replacement with new sending unit from Columbia.

The fuel gauge isn't working. Assuming it is not the new sending unit what can be done to fix the gauge itself?

Any advice would be appreciated.

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Also check the gauge regulator. It feeds the fuel and temp. gauges. If it is not working, neither of these gauges will work.


The '66 doesn't have the gauge regulator, that started in '67. And I think it only feeds the temp gauge as I recall, but I could be mistaken.
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Postby L60Boerne » Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:49 pm

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Postby plateaucal » Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:55 pm

That makes sense. The early gauge I brought to David is a marvel of complexity compared to the later fuel gauge which has one moving part. On my 69, the gauge regulator does feed the fuel gauge and temp. gauge; according to the wiring diagram and my experience. But I will review that diagram as soon as I can find my reading glasses.
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