PTO Winch

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Postby Edgar » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:39 am

I would love to add a front PTO Winch to Edgar. Could you all please provide the models/brands that I ought to be looking for that are compatible with the early model Patrols?
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Postby RiverPatrol » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:37 pm

The PTO that was considered 'factory' used a Koenig winch and a factory PTO unit. Pretty rare. In Australia they've used Thomas winches, I'm not sure which PTO though. Some folks have gone with electric winches. I have a PTO unit and Koenig winch I'd be willing to let go but I don't know how it would get to you. I can't even lift the winch myself.
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Postby curlrider11 » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:38 am

Don't mean to hijack the thread, but this is related to winches so i thought i'd ask here. Anyone experience difficulty shifting smoothly when installing the PTO?

I test fit a PTO transmission box that i have and I've experienced elevated noise from the winch transmission when not engaged (in neutral and not shifted to "on"), and now difficulty downshifting from 3rd to 2nd (doesn't want to go into 2nd easily) and from neutral to 1st at stops (needs to roll a tiny bit to engage). River, any experience with this and what might be a cause? oil levels are good, don't know if it's a shim/spacing issue. I used a sealant instead of a gasket to make a seal between the gearbox and transmission for the PTO.

If you want me to ask this q in another thread i can move it....
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Postby curlrider11 » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:39 pm

may have solved my own problem through this video. Sounds like i have the exact issue. shimming... hm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV15pJWkLOU

anyone confirm this?
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Postby RiverPatrol » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:18 am

I can't confirm but it would make sense. The one I had with the PTO shifted fine. It didn't have any shims.
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Postby curlrider11 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:14 pm

After the PTO gears came off, i cut a 1/8" thick shim (I.e. a thicker gasket) from cork/rubber and reinstalled with a little RTV. It now engages and disengages perfectly, and also shifts through all drive gears up and down smoothly. Very surprised that the PTO gear caused the problem with the main gears. Seems so far like the thicker shim took all the noise away, and the problem was resolved.

In case anyone has any future issues maybe that'd be helpful to know. I never would have thought the two would affect each other like that.
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Postby Esteban » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:45 pm

Congratulations! Glad you found the video. Very difficult to figure out that. For me would have been even worse the problem since I love silicone!
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Postby RiverPatrol » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:35 am

Esteban wrote:Congratulations! Glad you found the video. Very difficult to figure out that. For me would have been even worse the problem since I love silicone!


Which makes sense because I am anal and used a gasket when I reinstalled the PTO. :lol:
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Postby rdarnell » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:14 am

Good to know. I have put a PTO on my trans but might take it off temporally to test the rebuild on my trans. 6275

I bought a couple Koenig winches and will be making a couple original looking mounts for them.57715767
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Postby rdarnell » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:17 am

did some searching last year on the PTO here is what I found.

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Postby curlrider11 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:27 pm

rdarnell wrote:did some searching last year on the PTO here is what I found.

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4957&p=39107&hilit=winch#p39107



I read that forum too. My patrol definitely does NOT have a hole in the frame for a winch driveline like the one in the other forum post... wonder what my winch driveline will look like when i get it all mocked up... hm.... and wonder what i'll have to mod to get it lined up right.

after driving a week or so with the 1/8 spacer looks like everything's shifting smoothly. and no leaks!
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Postby RiverPatrol » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:08 pm

curlrider11 wrote:I read that forum too. My patrol definitely does NOT have a hole in the frame for a winch driveline like the one in the other forum post... wonder what my winch driveline will look like when i get it all mocked up... hm.... and wonder what i'll have to mod to get it lined up right.


The 68/69 I had with the PTO a hole had been cut in the frame for the driveshaft. The hole was in the same place as the factory cut hole. I really don't see how else the drive line could be accomplished otherwise.
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Postby curlrider11 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:53 pm

Thanks Leslie good to know, I guess when I get to that step that's where I'll be headed. I couldn't figure a different way to do it either just from looking at it. Thx for the info.
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Postby curlrider11 » Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:21 am

I've been looking and looking for any information on the PTO for the patrol, trying to figure out what kind of oil seal is used at the output for the lever control. I've got a small leak there ... It seems like everyone's come up empty on information about the actual PTO specs from all the forms lve read or followed... I did find one piece of literature slightly encouraging and oddly comforting when I read it and it seems like it was written by an old-timer that's worked on hundreds of these and forever :-)

From hermtheoverdriveguy.com "when ordering or rebuilding gearboxes we cannot guarantee no oil leaks as many of the early gearboxes have always leaked".

As many PTO gearbox specs he had on his website there was nothing for the patrol gearbox...

Guess I'll let sleeping dogs lay, and keep gearbox oil in the glove box next to the dot3. whistle:
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Postby jwgreen » Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:58 pm

curlrider11 wrote:I've been looking and looking for any information on the PTO for the patrol, trying to figure out what kind of oil seal is used at the output for the lever control. I've got a small leak there ... It seems like everyone's come up empty on information about the actual PTO specs from all the forms lve read or followed... I did find one piece of literature slightly encouraging and oddly comforting when I read it and it seems like it was written by an old-timer that's worked on hundreds of these and forever :-)

From hermtheoverdriveguy.com "when ordering or rebuilding gearboxes we cannot guarantee no oil leaks as many of the early gearboxes have always leaked".

As many PTO gearbox specs he had on his website there was nothing for the patrol gearbox...

Guess I'll let sleeping dogs lay, and keep gearbox oil in the glove box next to the dot3. whistle:


I rebuilt my PTO a few years ago, here are the part numbers to the seals I used. My seals are not leaking at this time but I haven't driven it any since the rebuild. It is leaking a little from the plugs which I will have to pull out and put some RTV on and reinstall. Hope this helps.

http://60patrol.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3312&p=24796&hilit=pto#p24796
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