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Postby Flaggoni » Thu May 03, 2018 7:10 am

Those nylon oil lines are time-delay bombs! Glad to hear there’s no engine damage.
Your post should be a warning to anybody that has those lines to replace them with 1/8 copper and compression fittings.
(Same size as the vent lines to the waterproof distributor)
I’ve seen the nylon ones break under the dash also...Ruins your clothes, interior, and mood all at once.
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Postby Esteban » Thu May 03, 2018 7:15 am

faux40 wrote:...
Everything under the hood is protected from corrosion now... there is oil everywhere! Its all quite shiny!

I think the nylon tubing for the oil pressure gauge is the culprit. Either the tubing itself, or the at the fitting. Where ever, it was a fountain! I haven't pulled it apart yet, but at least there is a little left in the crankcase, so that is good. I may have time tomorrow afternoon or Saturday to check. Fingers crossed!

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You were very lucky! Years ago I didn't have the same luck with another Patrol that I used to own. The plastic tubing broke and all the oil went out, until the crankshaft seized. This was going on the highway at steady 50 mph. I have added a second oil pressure gauge just to make sure everything was ok since I bought that Patrol used. After that episode, I changed to copper tubing as Flaggoni suggests, and fitted a sensor for an alarm and the end of the tubing, right at the gauge.
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Postby faux40 » Thu May 03, 2018 8:58 am

I'm going to remove the secondary gauge all together. I think this is where an idiot light excels! One might miss a gauge heading to zero, but the light would be harder to miss!
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Postby RiverPatrol » Thu May 03, 2018 9:07 am

That is THE main reason I never use or recommend a manual oil gauge.

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Postby Johnny Roadkill » Thu May 03, 2018 6:35 pm

RiverPatrol wrote:That is THE main reason I never use or recommend a manual oil gauge.


Rats, all that beautifully restored engine bay covered in yuk...good thing the P motor holds 1.21 Gigalitres of oil in the sump !

Copper lines would be the fix, personally I'm a fan of the gauge - saved my 510 motor years ago, was on the gas up a winding road the day I fitted the gauge and saw the needle turning south...the oil filter seal blew out and the gauge saved the motor.

Just my 2 cents...
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Postby faux40 » Tue May 08, 2018 1:16 am

I still haven't fixed the leak or started it up... Hopefully will find some time, but right now I'm wondering if I could re-purpose a dash light as an oil pressure idiot light... hmmm.

On another note, I haven't been hiding out... just got involved with a couple of bands! Playing in a band was my teenage dream! Now, I'm totally living my midlife crisis! Last Friday, we even got on TV!
http://gooddaysacramento.cbslocal.com/v ... ress-play/
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If any Sac Locals are interested -- We're playing at the El Dorado Saloon in El Dorado Hills on Saturday 5/19 (I'm talkin' to you offroadkid! ;-)

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Postby RiverPatrol » Tue May 08, 2018 8:13 am

faux40 wrote:
On another note, I haven't been hiding out... just got involved with a couple of bands! Playing in a band was my teenage dream! Now, I'm totally living my midlife crisis! Last Friday, we even got on TV!
http://gooddaysacramento.cbslocal.com/v ... ress-play/
http://gooddaysacramento.cbslocal.com/v ... play-pt-2/

If any Sac Locals are interested -- We're playing at the El Dorado Saloon in El Dorado Hills on Saturday 5/19 (I'm talkin' to you offroadkid! ;-)

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Very cool! 8-) Good for you. :handgestures-thumbupleft:
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Postby L60Boerne » Tue May 08, 2018 6:20 pm

Thank you, I am sure my Patrols will fall victim to this weakness. Please send some pictures of the failed nylon tube. I must get mine replaced ASAP.
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Postby Flaggoni » Tue May 08, 2018 8:39 pm

The nylon tube we’re referencing comes with aftermarket oil pressure gages that people usually mount on top or under
the dash. The stock Patrol gage is electrically operated, so you’re safe unless modified.
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Postby faux40 » Tue May 08, 2018 10:39 pm

Flaggoni wrote:The nylon tube we’re referencing comes with aftermarket oil pressure gages that people usually mount on top or under
the dash. The stock Patrol gage is electrically operated, so you’re safe unless modified.
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Mine has both! The mechanical gauge is located under the hood by the hood hinge -- Installed it way back when I was having all that trouble getting oil to the top (remember the backward cam bearing?). Never got around to taking it back out. Doh! Assuming it's actually the culprit, it's a four minute fix... except that everything under the hood is slimy right now. Once fixed, the first trip will be to the bath!

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Postby faux40 » Fri May 11, 2018 4:21 pm

Success! I found the leak... not where I expected though.

Joe and I came up with a plan... we topped off the oil (it was barely still-on-the-stick) and then set up a gopro in the engine bay pointed where the oil pressure line enters the oil galley... That's the most likely spot for that little nylon like to leak, right? We set the camera to 240 fps so we'd get some good slo-mo leak-action of the oil spraying everywhere. We started it up and let it run for about 30-seconds with the hood shut (I don't need an oil shower right now!). We opened the hood and discovered the leak was not way down there, but up near the firewall... here:

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See the little pinch -- Oil was flowing out at a pretty good clip

On the bright side, it appears that no damage was done; the gauge has been removed (the dash gauge works... somewhat -- it moves about 1/4" between engine-off and high idle so we can tell if we have oil pressure); and now we're off to the car wash for a little de-greasing!

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Postby L60Boerne » Sat May 12, 2018 1:44 pm

Thanks Bill. You are most appreciated. Mine are original, I think as I don't see any lines like the picture shows.

This forum is such a safety blanket for people like me.

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Postby faux40 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:52 am

Ugh -- It's been a long couple of weeks. Joe (my 17 y.o. son) had another crash... He's fine, but our little nissan truck is not so fine. In fact, I'm sure it's totalled. Both air bags deployed, frame is bent and the transmission is broken internally. Internally, it's stuck in reverse but the shifter will still let you put it into additional gears at the same time! It got towed home and I had to back it around the block to get it into the driveway!

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I love that truck! I've had it since new... very sad day.

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Postby Esteban » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:12 pm

Very sorry to hear about this mishap. Hope your Joe is ok, and that something positive will come out of all this. :(
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Postby faux40 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:25 pm

Luckily Joe and all involved are fine. The poor truck will be heading to the wreckers soon... Not sure who will be deemed at fault, but either way our poor truck drove it's last 1/4 mile in reverse! Anyone need some cheap 2000 Nissan Frontier Parts? ;-)

In the mean time, Joe's earned himself quite a track record -- he's totaled both of our primary family vehicles in the past year! We're down to just my truck! Good thing I bought the 4-door model or we'd be in real trouble! Maybe this will inspire Joe to be a super-defensive and double-bonus safe driver!

On a tangentially related note, between this and my medical bills (emergency kidney stone surgery -- ouch!), I'm sadly considering selling off part of the Patrol herd.

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