1969 Patrol, Take 2: Action!

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Postby yitzac1990 » Sun May 05, 2019 7:14 pm

Hello all! I have actually been a member of the forum for some time now, I joined when I first got a 1969 patrol. long story short, I sold it because I needed the cash and space, luckily it went to a local friend who could appreciate "what it was." Well, he wound up never getting around to doing anything with it because he had a more important project, that was also sitting collecting dust. I told him "ill get that volvo running and driving if you give me the patrol back." Well today I dropped his volvo off at his house and picked the patrol back up. All he did to it was put on some Xterra 16" wheels (had the center bores machined out bigger), and that was it since I gave it to him. Anyways, now to pictures, plans, and questions for the board!

It does have a lot of rust, and honestly is far too gone for me to do a total restoration. I want something I can have fun driving, more than I want something to sit at car shows. Sorry in advance to the purists out there, but my plans are as follows:

Chevy 5.3 LM7 swap, with an SM465 trans and Dana 18 TC
SPOA swap with slightly longer shackles
disc brake conversion
add stereo system (nothing crazy, just a head unit and 4 speakers probably)
possibly beefing up the frame rails somehow (will be used off road)

As far as repairs go, i plan on re-doing the entire electrical system, re-doing the front floor boards (rusted out), replacing rubber seals/trim in as many places as I can find the trim pieces for, repairing major rust areas (rear doors, roof corners, windshield), cheap paint job, seats reupholstered, and that's probably it. My racecar takes priority, and is currently in the shop for some small repairs, so this will be a slow and budget-friendly build. I would like to have it running by the end of the year though.

Here is how it sits right now:
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And here is where my questions begin!

1. I am pretty sure these springs are not stock, based on the "shackles" that look like they are home-made. What say you? Here are the fronts:
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Here are the rears:
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2. One of the front hubs is seized, so that will need repair, OR can I swap on any other hub from an easier-to-find vehicle? are 6 bolt hubs universal as long as the internal spline count is the same?
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3. It is missing a wiper arm, any idea where I can find one, or what wiper arms from other vehicles fit?
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4. Is there a good source in the US for trim pieces and seals? This picture is at the rear sliding window, but pretty much all the seals need replacing.
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5. Are birfield joints a "standard" joint? What I mean is, are ALL birfield joints the same? The reason I ask is because I used to have a suzuki samurai and I rebuilt those birfield joints no problem, so I do have some experience with them. Can I just order Samurai parts to rebuild these knuckles? Can I use samurai brake caliper brackets on these?

I think that may be it for now...the first task I would like to complete when I get time is removing the drivetrain! Wish me luck!
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Postby RiverPatrol » Sun May 05, 2019 7:28 pm

Congratulations on your project!

Definitely not stock springs. Someone has even moved the shackle mounts and custom made their own to accommodate these non-original springs. That and other mods visible makes this one prime to do what ever you want to. What's holding the fuel tank in place, because the skid plate for it is missing? Custom garden hose on it too.

The locking hubs are unique for the Patrol, 10 spline as i recall. You can probably find a used one from someone here. Birfields are different from one vehicle to the next, not interchangeable.
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Postby yitzac1990 » Sun May 05, 2019 8:11 pm

RiverPatrol wrote:What's holding the fuel tank in place, because the skid plate for it is missing?


Yeah, I noticed some kind of flat bar going across the frame rails that's holding the front of the fuel tank, and I couldn't see how the rear is held up. However, there is a large skid plate inside the vehicle that I assumed fit under the engine somehow...maybe this is the rear plate instead? Since I am converting to EFI, i will need to do some tank modifications anyways, so it will come down eventually.

RiverPatrol wrote:The locking hubs are unique for the Patrol, 10 spline as i recall. You can probably find a used one from someone here.


So there's no way I could use something like this? If not, I will have to explore the used parts section for sure...

https://www.morris4x4center.com/supreme ... gKKuvD_BwE

RiverPatrol wrote:Birfields are different from one vehicle to the next, not interchangeable.


Any leads on rebuild kits for patrol birfield joints/knuckles?
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Postby hartmanjw » Sun May 05, 2019 10:43 pm

Windshield rubber, door window squeegees and sliding rear window rubber available at following.

https://sportsimports.ca/

I have not yet found the rear door glass rubber but am looking for it.

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Postby RiverPatrol » Mon May 06, 2019 11:07 am

yitzac1990 wrote:
RiverPatrol wrote:What's holding the fuel tank in place, because the skid plate for it is missing?


Yeah, I noticed some kind of flat bar going across the frame rails that's holding the front of the fuel tank, and I couldn't see how the rear is held up. However, there is a large skid plate inside the vehicle that I assumed fit under the engine somehow...maybe this is the rear plate instead? Since I am converting to EFI, i will need to do some tank modifications anyways, so it will come down eventually.

RiverPatrol wrote:The locking hubs are unique for the Patrol, 10 spline as i recall. You can probably find a used one from someone here.


So there's no way I could use something like this? If not, I will have to explore the used parts section for sure...

https://www.morris4x4center.com/supreme ... gKKuvD_BwE

RiverPatrol wrote:Birfields are different from one vehicle to the next, not interchangeable.


Any leads on rebuild kits for patrol birfield joints/knuckles?


I would doubt those hubs would work, nothing that fits a Jeep is compatible with the Patrol.

Ebay has rebuild kits. Find the seller 4wd_products, they carry many parts for the Patrol.
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Postby ckhorne » Mon May 06, 2019 11:31 am

hartmanjw wrote:I have not yet found the rear door glass rubber but am looking for it.


I remember reading here that the rear window rubber for a VW Bug will work for the rear Patrol windows. Might be worth searching for that -
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Postby yitzac1990 » Mon May 06, 2019 4:03 pm

I am familiar with 4wd_products on ebay, but they dont really have much in the way of rebuild kits, other than transmission. Do you think they might be able to help me out with more products if I message them directly?

Thanks for all the info so far!
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Postby RiverPatrol » Mon May 06, 2019 4:38 pm

Yes, they have much more available than what they list.
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Postby L60Boerne » Mon May 06, 2019 6:39 pm

I have ordered from 4wheel drive AU several times. Nice guys, great quality parts but......you must know what you want...they do not know specifics. You must know exactly which part you seek, then year and any nuance...then triangulate that knowledge to their parts order form. In short...it is 100% up to the buyer to determine if they have what you need.

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Postby yitzac1990 » Thu May 09, 2019 1:59 pm

THank you for the info. Does anyone know if there is a nissan part number for hub rebuild kits? Or part numbers for those internal parts and seals in the hubs? I couldn't find any on the interchange parts list I found on this site.

Also, would anyone be interested in an engine, trans, and tcase from a 1969 Patrol? :D I was told it was "running when parked" about 20 years ago.
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Postby Esteban » Thu May 09, 2019 5:08 pm

yitzac1990 wrote:THank you for the info. Does anyone know if there is a nissan part number for hub rebuild kits? Or part numbers for those internal parts and seals in the hubs? I couldn't find any on the interchange parts list I found on this site.


There was never a hub rebuild kit from Nissan as an original spare. Only individual components.

You can download the 1973 Parts Manual, or refer to the following online page:

http://www.carpartsmanual.com/nissan/pa ... ge-spindle

The big seals (#16) on that page are really the only ones difficult to obtain. You can order from Amayama. The knuckle bearings (4 total) are regular bearings, as well as the wheel bearings. Even the wheel hub seal can be locally sourced.

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I ordered the following hub seals from Amazon, but have not installed yet (insert disclaimer here:

TCM 65X88X12TC-BX NBR (Buna Rubber)/Carbon Steel Oil Seal, TC Type, 2.559" x 3.465" x 0.472"
65mm x 88mm x 12mm
https://www.amazon.com/TCM-65X88X12TC-B ... B01BUUP2AQ

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I also have this in my notes regarding the Knuckle Bearings (4 total). Please note that older Patrols use a cone on the upper caps instead of bearings. The cones are unobtanium!

30304 Nachi Tapered Roller Bearing (purchased from VXB Bearings Amazon)

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There are O-rings on each base for the bearings, that you probably can source locally as well. There's also bearing (#18) inside the spindle. This is probably not critical if yours have locking hubs, since it probably has no wear at all. Don't have a reference for it, but for sure can be sourced easily.
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Postby citroa » Thu May 09, 2019 7:10 pm

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Postby yitzac1990 » Tue May 14, 2019 9:18 pm

Tonight I picked up the new heart for the patrol...a 5.3 LM7 engine from a 1999 Silverado. it runs great and I cant wait to drop it in! Before I can mate the trans up, I need to rebuild it, and also swap out the mainshaft for the conversion shaft to allow the Dana 18 to fit. Not sure when I will be able to get all that done, maybe in the next month or so...just depends on finances really lol

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Postby Flaggoni » Tue May 14, 2019 10:14 pm

Howdy again...I will be in Madison on Memorial weekend. Almost connected with you 2 yrs ago.
If you’d like, and schedules permit, I could give you a visit.
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Postby yitzac1990 » Wed May 15, 2019 7:39 am

Flaggoni wrote:Howdy again...I will be in Madison on Memorial weekend. Almost connected with you 2 yrs ago.
If you’d like, and schedules permit, I could give you a visit.
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Yes I remember, I was going to try and send you a message! It would be great if you wanted to come by and check it out. its not pretty, but any shop/patrol talk is welcome! send me a PM and we can work the details!
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