L60Boerne's Santa's Sleigh

[L60Boerne]

Plateaucal,
Now, I know you live on a mountain top retreat high in Rockies and the Texas cold should not be a problem but ......based on our hunting experience in February at The Lair it appears you maybe better suited for a sweltering Texas summer hunt with gnats, mosquitoes and the occasional rattlesnake...or two.

Sooo when you are ready for the polar opposite let me know. We will have better luck.

Patrolling in the pasture,
L60Boerne

[plateaucal]

I'd even take the rattlesnake. Deep fried of course.

[L60Boerne]

Greetings,
I was doing some ranch work today and I think this Patrol finally lost it starter. Does anyone have a "known" OEM starter for this 65 they will sell me?

I have one up at Then and Now being rebuilt but who knows when it will be finished.

Please send me a message if you have one.

[RiverPatrol]

Have you verified that the starter really is good?

[jwgreen]

Greetings,
I was doing some ranch work today and I think this Patrol finally lost it starter. Does anyone have a "known" OEM starter for this 65 they will sell me?

I have one up at Then and Now being rebuilt but who knows when it will be finished.

Please send me a message if you have one.

I bought and have been using this one for awhile now. It bolts right up and has worked great. Fairly cheap as well.

https://www.obbstartersandalternators.c ... rds=18110n

[L60Boerne]

Thanks Justin, I was not able to make those work via my monkey mechanics. I think I bought three and have given them all away.

We used the winch to hoist a really nice axis buck over a fence Used a high tree limb to throw the cable over. It was a great mechanical feat...just no pictures.

I have my main master mechanic monkey on it. Actually he is a super nice guy and always willing to help. I guess I'm a bit bitter as it I'd prefer he fixed things with the rifle approach rather than the shotgun. He hasn't reported back but it might be a blown fuse. There seems to be a suspect jumper hooked into the fuse box. It did "pop" as it let loose.

It may not the starter. More to follow ...and thanks as usual.

Patrolling to repairs,
L60Boerne

[plateaucal]

David,

Does the starter spin slowly or not at all. ? Does the solenoid kick in? The answer to those question may help with the rifle approach. Starters are darned simple and it is usually easy to diagnose them. You may want to try jumping the starter direct from the battery.

[L60Boerne]

Thanks Plateaucal,

Three more clues are;
a). it clicks when you push the starter
b). It can be pull started
c). The battery is charged and the wiring was really hot leading to the fuse box. I asked #2 which wire was hot and where it came/went and did not get a straight answer.

Regardless of all this the starter was dragging really bad when I pushed the starter button. That needs to be fixed at some point as well.

Patrolling with small problems,
L60Boerne

[plateaucal]

There are usually only three things that go wrong with a starter. Bushings, brushes and the solenoid (especially the contactor). Since the solenoid is clicking that is good.

If the contactor in the solenoid is working you should see a good voltage drop when attempting to start which means current is flowing to the starter.

Then the problem comes down to bad bushings or brushes. A large voltage drop but no spin would indicate bad bushings. Try banging on the side of the starter to see if helps. This might temporarily prevent the armature and stator from grounding and allow the starter to spin. It may also loosen the worn brushes and allow contact with the commutator.

As far as the hot wire, that could be bad connections. The same thing happened to me and the same result as well! Just the starter solenoid clicking. You can try bypassing the starter button circuit by jumpering from battery connection on the starter to the solenoid wire connection to test. Check for corrosion on connections. There should be a wire from the fuse box to the push button. And another wire from the push button to starter.

Regardless, I always bring questionable starters and alternators to a "Starter and Alternator Shop". They have the tools to diagnose and repair starters. All towns should have one, even little Montrose. Regular mechanics replace stuff, they usually don't fix them.

My recollection from driving Santa led me to believe your bushings were bad. I remember a large voltage drop but no start. The thing is, this problem may be intermittent for a long time before the bushings are just "done for".

Anyway, maybe some the great sages will also ring in on this.

Here is nice illustrated tutorial for you.

https://www.howacarworks.com/ignition-s ... or-brushes

Your starter should look like illustration 1.

[plateaucal]

Looking at the parts catalog, it appears that the brushes are accessible or inspectable from a cover on the exterior of the starter.